Originally Posted by Lntz View Post
http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.p ... ost5625803
A vacuum is not really nothing... It's one thing to remove the atoms and molecules from a container, but to truly remove 'everything' from it, is something else.
This talk at the Hayden Planetarium is really wonderful and it's about 'nothing'. I think you would enjoy listening to it, but it is rather long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNh-pY3hJnY
me:
The problem is the desire to find nothing at the basis of it all is tempting to the skeptic who would see that as proof that there's no God. it would also be proof of creation ex nihilo because we have to figure that God can't be detected so proof of "nothing" is not disproof of God.
The same goes ofr the theist who says if there is "something,"however small, it needs explaining. That's true so the framework in which Qm particles appear is just as telling as the particles. But it doesn't matter either way for the same reason. Nothing = creation ex nihilo. and something means we have to explain it.
that's going nowhere. that's why I think my God argument makes sense becuase it doesn't work by showing the need to explain things but by the necessity of an eternal aspect of all being which coincides with the definition of God.