CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Metacrock » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:26 pm

will you all please post on the blog, i have a thing on Schleieracher I thought you might like.
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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Metacrock » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:28 pm

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Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:47 am
So does it all come down to "being having depth" or not - as Tillich says?

I think the whole concept of causality depends on the significance of what is "caused" and perhaps we can imagine a whirling something, like a multiverse, that simply tries out all the possibilities without intention. That doesn't seem a "cause" in the same sense as the other.
I think that is irrational, you have not answered the argument. I hope you will come and look at the Schleiermacher thing on blog.
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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Jim B. » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:54 am


beyond being is a contradiction in terms, That's Ike saying its beyond being real.
It depends on what assumptions you have going in. You ought to read Nozick.

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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Metacrock » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:00 am

if words have meaning it;s about what they mean,


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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Jim B. » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:50 pm

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if words have meaning it;s about what they mean,


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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Metacrock » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:31 am

Jim B. wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:50 pm
Metacrock wrote:
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if words have meaning it;s about what they mean,


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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Metacrock » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:31 am

Jim B. wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:50 pm
Metacrock wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:00 am
if words have meaning it;s about what they mean,


I am through
I appreciate you're open-mindedness!
stay here and talk to yourself and no one will everdisproe your arguments,
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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Jim B. » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:31 pm

Metacrock wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:31 am
Jim B. wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:50 pm
Metacrock wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:00 am
if words have meaning it;s about what they mean,


I am through
I appreciate you're open-mindedness!
stay here and talk to yourself and no one will everdisproe your arguments,
Why won't you discuss it?

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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by met » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:46 pm

.beyond being is a contradiction in terms, That's Ike saying its beyond being real.
Seems like a semantic issue here?


Is the possible (but not actual) " real"?


In some senses, but in some others not....
The “One” is the space of the “world” of the tick, but also the “pinch” of the lobster, or that rendezvous in person to confirm online pictures (with a new lover or an old God). This is the machinery operative...as “onto-theology."
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Re: CA: Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God

Post by Jim B. » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:23 pm

met, I was thinking more in terms of beings -- the for-itself vs the in-itself. Conscious creatures who are defined by their possibilities more than by their present state or condition, and how if this would apply to us humans, it would apply even more so to God, maybe infinitely more so. God would not be reducible to a set of present facts or conditions but pure cosnciousness, a set of possibilitites, and in that sense he would transcend being. At least that's my take on it.

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