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Christians and Sabbath

Post by SayaOtonashi » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:38 pm

Are many Christians sinning for worshiping not on a Saturday?

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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by met » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:27 pm

What do you think? I think Paul is pretty clear about his view, at least, on that exact point in Ro 14?
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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by The Pixie » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:03 pm

Christians have rationalised ignoring all the Biblical laws they find inconvenient. Paul was the first to do so (as in Romans 14, as Met says). At that time they were trying to sell Chrstianity to the pagans, and the idea of circumcision was a major barrier. Christianity was kind of Judaism Lite - you got the ancient Jewish faith, but none of the awkward rules. Later the sabbath was switched because it was political to distance Christianity from Judaism. I doubt Jesus would approve of any of it, given he specifically stated he had not come to change the laws in any way at all.

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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by met » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:54 pm

Someone might suggest - & people have suggested - that the new form, "Xianity", was more like "the heart and prophetic soul" of Judaism, ie taking things all the way back to Abraham, as Paul often does, & stripping away layers of unnecessary ritualistic & nationalistic wrappings....

This internalization and intensification process also "fulfills the law" in obvious ways....but without the law's intrinsic weaknesses, such as its "obscene transgressional injunctions" ...cf Ro7.
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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by The Pixie » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:40 am

met wrote:Someone might suggest - & people have suggested - that the new form, "Xianity", was more like "the heart and prophetic soul" of Judaism, ie taking things all the way back to Abraham, as Paul often does, & stripping away layers of unnecessary ritualistic & nationalistic wrappings....

This internalization and intensification process also "fulfills the law" in obvious ways....but without the law's intrinsic weaknesses, such as its "obscene transgressional injunctions" ...cf Ro7.
What does "fulfills" mean in his context?

In my opinion, this is an excellent example of Christianity twistoing the Bible to say what they want, not what it actually means. I think Jesus was saying that he brought to fruition the prophecies in the books known as the Law and the Phophets.

I would love to know what you think the word means in that context, but when I have asled Christians this previously, I just got evasions.

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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by met » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:59 am

I think it means (or could reasonably be understood as saying) once the prophecies are fulfilled, the Mosaic path - ritual Judaism - has run its course? The new path, more accessible to Gentiles and hellenized Jews, is internalized, a la Jeremiah, & no longer reliant on a worldly "Kingdom."

I'll just repeat this quote from a previous thread.....
One of the key problems that Paul wrestles with is the relationship between sin and the law. In Romans 7, he writes that sin seizes its chance in the commandment, and his awareness of the intermingling of the law and the desire to transgress the law prefigures the psychoanalytic insight that the law operates not only at the level of the letter of the law but also according to its ‘obscene superego supplement’. This is the law’s inherent injunction. It’s a level of implicit rather than explicit discourse that is obscene in its contradiction or transgression of the public text of the law, supplementary because it is this injunction that is what binds the subject to the law, and superegotistical because it takes the form of an injunction to enjoy.

This is why, during the first session of talks at The Idolatry of God retreat, Peter Rollins identified the fall narrative as a key for understanding his wider theological project, presenting the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as an account of humanity’s existential situation as a creature caught between the law and the law’s inherent injunction for us to transgress the law. No wonder that, in what Žižek calls our ‘postmodern world of ordained transgression’, philosophers like Alain Badiou claim that Saint Paul is our contemporary and that his letters should not fail to resonate with us today. For, as any parent will know, it is often the prohibition itself that creates an excessive desire for that which is prohibited.


Having identified the destructive relationship between sin and the commandment, between law and the implicit injunction to transgress the law, Paul then advocates ‘dying to the law’. For Paul, Life and Death designate alternative subjective paths or dispositions that divide every subject between the thought of the Flesh, which is Death, and the thought of the Spirit, which is Life. While the thought of the Flesh is governed by the Law, the thought of the Spirit is itself dead to the Law and lives instead the life of Love.

Katherine Sarah Moody
http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/blog/post/ ... _that_dies
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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by SayaOtonashi » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:13 pm

I ask because one person has been saying I have sinned for going to worship on a Sunday. I mean Gentiles weren't even under the law. Jesus said himself he will make a covenant under grace. If it wasn't we would have to die to keep the law covenant. We have to keep all 613 laws not just the 10. We have all broken them.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law


To be apart of the law one must be Circumcision. That’s the only one. So Jesus came to open god’s grace for all. The law giving eas only For the Jews and Israel. Gentiles weren’t under that law but under other law.

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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by met » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:01 am

Saya, I think that's pretty much it - I agree!
The “One” is the space of the “world” of the tick, but also the “pinch” of the lobster, or that rendezvous in person to confirm online pictures (with a new lover or an old God). This is the machinery operative...as “onto-theology."
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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by SayaOtonashi » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:50 pm

So is it wrong to worship God or a Sunday? I always think there is no set day.

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Re: Christians and Sabbath

Post by met » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 am

No, I was agreeing with what you said ....
The “One” is the space of the “world” of the tick, but also the “pinch” of the lobster, or that rendezvous in person to confirm online pictures (with a new lover or an old God). This is the machinery operative...as “onto-theology."
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