Review of 'Christ and Horro rs' for holy Saturday

[met]

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.ca ... rrors.html

[met]

Here's another one. Long, u have to start at the bottom....

https://anopenorthodoxy.wordpress.com/c ... ord-adams/

[met]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriI

Number Six: Who is Number One?
Number Two: You are Number Six.

but in the end, as it turns out, it should really be written ...." You are, Number Six."

[Metacrock]

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.ca ... rrors.html

this looks very interesting. I have to deal with some computer issues and do some thinking about it before I comment. Ill get t it.

[met]

It takes your participatory atonement concept to a more radical place....

[Essentially this perfectionist tradition merely adds normal human functioning and growth “into a soul already equipped – ab initio and permanently – with as much supernatural knowledge of God and creatures as a human soul is capable of….” This approach, Adams feels, actually disqualifies Jesus from being our horror-defeater, for the job is to defeat horrors not just insulated ‘inside’ a human nature but ‘with’ or ‘by means of’ that nature, i.e., in terms of the capacities and vulnerabilities definitive of that nature. This is the human side of the qualifications. But there’s also a divine side of the job description (Part 5) which limits how much and in what ways he identifies with us.

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Jesus’ character emerges developmentally through the same trials and errors and within the same constraints we are naturally limited to. And this means Jesus grows morally and spiritually into the obedience which his role as horror-defeater requires rather than emerging from the womb with pre-installed supernatural upgrades that insulate him against failure to self-identify truthfully before God and the experienced loss of personal meaning such failure results in. For Adams, Jesus was non posse non peccare with the rest of us

[Metacrock]

Popular piety has given us a string of requirements that aren't in the bible. Jesus has to have suffered more than anyone ever did becuase popular piety seeks to make us love him more by building it up that way. It's enough that he makes a statement of solidarity and creates the basis for atonement, and then mediates our forgiveness.

[DT1138]

Popular piety has given us a string of requirements that aren't in the bible. Jesus has to have suffered more than anyone ever did becuase popular piety seeks to make us love him more by building it up that way. It's enough that he makes a statement of solidarity and creates the basis for atonement, and then mediates our forgiveness.

This actually reminds me of St. Paul's quote in 1 Colossians 1:24, and the traditional Catholic belief in "victim souls". I don't think its so much that Jesus in his earthly life suffered in every possible way imaginable, but simply that he suffered, and suffering now connects us to God in a way that it did not previously.

The impetus to love God more comes in Christ's divinity and incarnation, IMO.